DISQUS

Ich werde ein Berliner: http://www.ichwerdeeinberliner.com/2009/02/11-supermarkets.html

  • Anonymous · 10 months ago
    Dooode, you should get a price for this post.
    I love it! So true...
    I would add the nightmare of checking out at Aldidl, tryin' to get your stuff into said cloth bags while being pushed out of the way by some german'rentner' who can´t wait two seconds for you to finish.

    Not to mention the russian checkout-girl who's outstretched hand impatiently awaits the cash while simultaneously pushing your shit out of the way! Nice!



  • Anonymous · 10 months ago
    Well observed :) - But while I generally agree with your impression, you ignore a fundamental difference between Germans and Americans that is likely the cause for this odd German preference: shopping habits.

    The average American Soccer Mom takes about 30 minutes to get her SUV and herself from the suburban 5000 sqft "single-family home" to the nearest HEB, Jewel, Publix, or whatever the predominant supermarket chain may be in her area. Then another 15 minutes (each way) to cross the gigantic parking lot.

    She then loads up the trunk as if she were to prepare for a global food shortage or natural disaster. Of course those "buy 10 for $10" offers also help, but in the end it's all about filling that massive double-door fridge that needs about as much energy as the A/C. That way, the entire grocery shopping trip adds up to about 2.5 hours, half of which is spent in the store.

    Back to Germany: The average German walks(!) or bikes(!!!) by a grocery store every day and stops there about three to four times a week. That's because these stores are everywhere in residential areas. There's always a small store around the corner. The more accurate comparison would probably be the 7/11 or White Hen Pantry. Plus, many Germans live in rather small apartments (1000 sqft. is considered big here!) with rather small fridges and little to no storage space.

    Now here's the important question: Given all the above, how much time do you think people spend in Aldidl? You walk in, grab your 6 or 7 items, and off you are in less then 5 minutes (unless a Rentner is holding up the line because he wants to use his coins).

    Bottom line: For most Germans, grocery shopping is not a half-day entertainment experience, but an annoying necessity they want to get over with. If I was to spend an hour or more in a store, of course I would also prefer a pleasurable experience. To grab toast, bananas and frozen pizza - not so much...

    On another note, there are quite a few Aldis in the US, and they look exactly the same as the German ones.











  • Anonymous · 10 months ago
    Haha, not to mention how the super fast check - out girl scans all your stuff in 0.3 seconds, and you are left panicing, trying to stuff your things just as fast in your bag, as the check - out girl won't continue to the next customer until you are done. she will just sit there, stare at you impatiently, together with the rentners lining up. aaaahh.

    on a different note though, you forgot the whole price aspect. they actually do have 'normal' supermarkets in germany (kaisers, edeka, rewe..)pretty much resemble safeway, qfc etc, and are just as common and popular. the 'alidls' are rather new. they are much cheaper, hence attract many students etc who just have to watch their money. while you might get not certain fancy stuff there, who cares if you get you flour or your milk from aldi or safeway, its not like safeways cows are prettier. in a safeway when you buy a expensive milk, that milk price includes costs of commercial, the neat looking place, the excess of staff. you dont pay for that in aldidls, therefore its ugly - looking, understaffed and unadvertized. your pick! if it wasnt for the huge price difference, i doubt anyone would prefer aldidl over a 'normal' supermarket. and by the way, other countries love the aldidls, both chains are internationally opening all the time. might be a good idea after all :-)

  • Anonymous · 10 months ago
    Nicely figured out - although I have never heard of any proverb such as the Porsche-referring one, I felt the description was quite appealing (I laughed a lot about the post-catastrophy).

    Unfortunately where I live Aldidls are rarely close-by so I "have" to shop in these cute and pretty little supermarkets which do in fact exist/survive because of the real neighborhood rentners and lavish students only. Thoughts on infrastructural sustainability aside, I would on the contrary prefer Aldidle for a simplify your life-lack of variety of fivethousand brands offering the same product at different quantities and prices. Given the fact that Aldi has the hardest supplier quality contracts ever and is so omnipresent they better not perform badly, if you happen to buy something non-edible once in a while you may appreciate the perspective of finding only one let's say no-name laundry detergent box for each washing purpose (containing a brand product Alidle chose for some reason you do not need to know). A train of thought which is basically true for staple food too. I'm not looking for the bargain, I'm looking for the time gain !

    I think Germans don't go for shopping as a leisure activity because they make the most of their free time reading Marx and Schiller and visiting good restaurants after having been to a lecture or ballet.

    Just joking about that last bit.





  • Frankie Pérussault · 10 months ago
    Well! I had a good laugh reading all this. Great blog!
  • Frankie Perussault · 10 months ago
    ...oh! and shouldn't you say "ich werde ein Berliner SEIN" ???
  • Sven · 9 months ago
    @Frankie:

    No because he "is becoming a Berliner"... Werden is the main verb here.

    In "Ich werde ein Berliner sein" werden is used as the auxiliary verb to indicate the future tense of "sein."

    Regardless of all this grammatical nit-picking, I'm sure the name was a homage to JFK's famous quote from his 1963 speech.





  • Anonymous · 9 months ago
    What I find funny is that if I mention shopping at Kaiser's or Edeka to most Germans, they're like, "Oh, but it's so much more expensive!" Whereas what I've noticed is that there are a bunch of staple goods that are sold under different no-name brand names in EVERY supermarket. I.e. if you're just getting milk and some cheap soft cheese and say frikadellen or whatever, you're going to pay exactly the same price at Lidl, or Aldi, or Rewe, or whatever. Maybe they fear the temptation to buy the nicer stuff at Kaiser's and such... :)
  • Anonymous · 9 months ago
    You expressed it perfectly! I had a few really good laughs! You forgot to mention the prison effect. It is really hard to escape Aldidl's narrow exit way out. But it's not easy to enter either. You definitely have to go through some kind of control station. I usually expect a welcome and open entrance at the super market. Not at Aldidl. I normally go shopping with some happy attitude. That's not working at Aldidl's either.
    It's hard to be a Berliner.
  • Anonymous · 9 months ago
    One cannot stress enough the attitude of Aldidl's employees. If they're filling shelves you better watch out because YOU ARE IN THE WAY. And, God forbid, should one of them rush through with a broom you better be ready to jump! By now you should know that for the folks working at Aldidl your accepted at best as some kind of necessary evil.
    LOL about the comment before me here re the 'barriers' one has to overcome to even be allowed to enter Aldidl's habitat. I does feel like a prison visit. What's next, fingerprints...eyescans.....?
  • Anonymous · 9 months ago
    I hate the special Aldi (especially Aldi) atmosphere, too. But Lidl has actually improved lately, they have fancy posters and sheves and such. ;-)
    Both stores are sufficient for everyday needs. You go to Aldidl every few days and buy the special stuff from Rewe or Edeka or whatever. Maybe you've noticed that Rewe and Aldi often seem to be narby. ;-)

    However you shouldn't make fun of the empoyees. They do an underpaid hard job - whatch a documentary about Lidl / Aldi. They are pressed to be so fast.


  • Anonymous · 9 months ago
    Well observed ! I hate AldiLidl since I was a little boy who joined his mum once in a while shopping there as she cracked under the peer pressure supposedly wasting money not shopping there.
    The smell, the rude staff, the fear of being killed by a shopping cart of an erratic AldiLidl-holic made me avoid those narrow aisles ever since.
    Admiting to hate them and their egoistic and dictatorial owners ( the two ALDI-brothers are the richest guys in Germany, but they never did any good with their money, neither donating to any charity nor improving the life of their employees with their billions) makes me an outlaw at my company, but well that´s something I have to live with.

  • Anonymous · 8 months ago
    Very funny blog. And now I start bitching: I am a Geahman living in the US for about a decade now. I shop at Wal-Mart because it's the only place where I can sustainably afford to buy organic milk and OJ for my kids, because, let's face it, non-organic milk in the US is hormon-infested carcinogenic crap and tastes just like that. I can't believe the garbage US Americans accept in their food aisles and, worse, shopping carts. (Btw: I think your observation about ze Geahman's dislike for food flies in the face of my US experience, where I was told repeatedly by a number of Americans that they prefer "quantity over quality". And Amercians look the part.). But I digress. My typical bill at Wal-Mart ends up between $100-150. When I visited my sister in Berlin over Christmas, I went to Aldi and filled her fridge with similar stuff I buy at Wal-Mart, for 50 Euros/70 bucks. But the quality was good. Better than in a US Safeway/Publix/etc, where there are always the same insane choices: meats - roast beef, ham, turkey, cheese - Swiss, Mozarella, American, Provolone. A decent blue cheese at Safeway will set me back $7 meanwhile, @ Aldi it still works for less than half of that. Admittedly, Aldi sells the same trash in the US, except for the Austrian milk chocolate for $1.30 per 200g. I won't even get started about Hershey "chocolate". But that has a lot to do with the customer's preferences, I bet. But other than that: hilarious blog.
  • Anonymous · 7 months ago
    LOOOOL sooo true! I always go to aldi and my mobile-bill is much too high! Great and funny stuff!

    Hope you find some positive aspects about Germans as well... ha ha ha

    Auf wiedersehen und einen schönen Tag noch!
    Alex
  • Anonymous · 7 months ago
    It's sad but true. Yes, Aldidl are good for "basic stuff" and I shop there too but the shops depress me. And most of all it depresses me how they reflect the German attitude to food as a chore to get over with and not a "treat", something to enjoy by picking fresh produce carefully, choosing things, spoiling yourself with quality food now and then and cooking something nice once in a while.

    We have a Belgian supermarket here in Cologne (Delhaize) that is rather upmarket and I just LOVE shopping there, because they offer so much you don't get in regular German supermarkets (not just Aldidl) and I was gutted to hear that Delhaize wants to give up their four German supermarkets again because they can't succeed against all the trashy cheap discounters. It's a disgrace!
  • Anonymous · 7 months ago
    OMG! I also live in Cologne and do my shopping exclusively at Delhaize. It's a small world. I can't believe what you say - they are closing shop? When? I haven't seen any announcement there. I hope it's just a rumor, where else should I go???
  • Anonymous · 7 months ago
    Some of the most admiring glances I have had in Berlin have been in Friedrichshain Lidl with a calculator.
  • Anonymous · 7 months ago
    As long as those supermarkets never become a Costco in the movie Idiocracy, everything's fine: "Welcome to Costco, I love you" LOL
  • Anonymous · 6 months ago
    That was a cool observation =))
  • Anonymous · 5 months ago
    Auch das ist wieder ein wirklich witziger Beitrag. Aber trotzdem möchte ich einiges zu bedenken geben:
    - Lidl sieht meistens nicht ganz so schmierig aus wie Aldi, und außerhalb von Berlin sind eigentlich beide Läden ganz annehmbar;
    - die Waren, die es in beiden Supermärkten gibt, werden meistens gut getestet und erhalten beste Noten für das Preis-Leistungs-Verhältnis. Insofern stimmt das Schema der anderen Beiträge (Deutsche handeln in irrationaler Weise, um sich wechselseitig in der jeweiligen "peer-group" als "hip" zu beeindrucken) darauf bezogen nicht. Vielmehr scheint es in hohem Maße rational zu sein, bei Aldi oder Lidl zu kaufen.
    - In typischen deutschen Städten gibt es neben Aldi und Lidl lediglich einige weitere schmierige Supermärkte (Penny, Plus, Norma, Netto) der billigen Kategorie und ein paar Märkte der teureren Kategorie (Edeka, Rewe, Tengelmann/Kaiser´s, Real-Kauf, Kaufland). Bei letzteren würde man auch hier nicht von schickimicki-Märkten sprechen, zumal das Ladenbild dort in der Regel auch nicht durchgreifend besser aussieht. Und für die Nicht-Berliner zur Information: Echte schickimicki Läden (z. B. KaDeWe) gibt es außerhalb Berlins eher selten (wobei echte Berliner ja nicht ins KaDeWe gehen, weil dort nur Touristen aus Baden-Württemberg einkaufen)
    - Zu Aldi oder Lidl kann man im Porsche genauso wie im Golf oder mit dem Fahrrad fahren. Oftmals haben Aldi und Lidl mittlerweile auch Bus- oder Bahnanschluss oder sind zu Fuß erreichbar. Beide Läden sind also im besten Sinne klassenlose Läden
    - Ich bezweifle, dass die Supermärkte in anderen OECD-Ländern wirklich qualitativ oder vom Einkaufserlebnis her besser sind.
    - In immer mehr OECD-Ländern sind Aldi und Lidl mittlerweile genauso erfolgreich wie in Deutschland. Auch das spricht nicht dafür, dass Deutsche beim Einkaufen besonder merkwürdig sind.
  • Robert · 5 months ago
    As coming from southern Germany I have to contradict and say that Aldi is much better here than Lidl (not only regarding the stuff-policy) and it's even quite comfy to shop there compared to Lidl or Plus, which is esp. for the grocery really disgusting.
    On the other hand people here tend to go more to little markets with fresh & regional products.
    An astonishing experience from France: supermarkets for deep-frozen products only: Picard – les surgelés.
  • Anonymous · 5 months ago
    Really funny indeed, keep it up!
    A little correction though on the Wal-mart part - they didn't stop business here in germany because of Aldidl. They stopped because they got whacked by the trade/labor unions for treating their employees just a little bit better than modern slaves.
  • Anonymous · 5 months ago
    You can even find an ALDI in a tent, a big one of course. That gives the perfekt UNO post catastrophy food supply feeling :-)
  • ulfi · 5 months ago
    Empirically the described trend to buy only ecological correct products seems to be vanishing in Germany, especially among the young urban elites the author is making fun of. http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,151... />The well-known political scientist F. Walter from the University of Göttingen seems to have empirical evidence that the "settled" alternative establishment has a cynical attitude towards ecology and the very personal contribution to it, meanwhile.
  • Anonymous · 5 months ago
    I have two words for Germany. BAG BOY!
  • Anonymous · 5 months ago
    Funny, very funny, but I'm not sure that everything said is really true.
    It was definately a shock at first, going shopping in deutschland, but over the years, the selection of products available at Aldi & co has improved, and I have even grown to appreciate the stuff you can get (specially the choccie). That said, I still love going to Tescos or the like when I'm back in the UK.
  • Anonymous · 4 months ago
    Î still think my shop Britain in Neukölln is the best and the service is excellent tea and biscuits on the house plus my garden and cats to play with.
    robert Berridge
  • boRp · 4 months ago
    Well, some people do like to pay for fancy light experiments, pleasant music and designer shelves.

    I like to pay for the groceries that I buy and nothing else. Does that really make me as weird as described here?
  • Anonymous · 3 months ago
    @ the BAG BOY comment

    Wal-Mart tried this and failed. I as a German can say that most Germans do not like someone else touching our food etc after we bought it because after we bought it its our property and no slimy bag boy teenager should ever touch it. i certainly would not want this and i don't know anyone who would want this.

    Ben
  • Anonymous · 3 months ago
    @boRp ha, very typical statement. I think the point was to say that the produce sold in the Aldidl stores is of very crappy quality. Something I can definitely confirm. It looks like trash and it tastes like trash.
  • Marc Köberlein · 3 months ago
    I hate shopping at Alidl. Most of the stuff really tastes awful. I would never ever buy meat in there (also not at a patrol-station). Normally, because there are a lot of turkish shops around - I´ll go there. The staff is alway hectic, but still friendly and most of all, treats you as a human being (also they have, beside pig, every sort of meat, you may desire and most important lamb. It´s hard to get lamb-meat in germany.
    But I can understand the staff at alidl, I wouldn´t do much more, being low-paid. This markets are a place to rush in and leave as fast as you can. Ah by the way - you forgot "Penny-Markt". Alidny-Markt perhaps.
  • Nitpicker · 3 months ago
    First of all, I recently discovered the blog and very much enjoy reading it. Keep up the good work!

    A quick note on the notable differences in style, product selection and cleanliness between ALDI stores in South and North Germany:

    There are actually _two_ chains: one with a blue logo and the other with an orange. Being owned by a pair of brothers, they do not compete but divide the German market between them.
    I have only ever seen orange "ALDI Süd" stores abroad though.
  • Anonymous · 3 months ago
    commenter nr. 2, i love you!
  • Anonymous · 2 months ago
    Fact: LIDL is spying on their employees and treats 'em like $%it and threfore they are slow and unfriendly. ALDI pays the highest salary in the business app. 30% more than the competitors. This leads to highly engaged people that are working fast and efficiency is very high.
    The look of the Aldi shops is as said before depending whether it is a shop from the north or the south branch. The north branch still looks as 20 years ago whether the south shops are looking at least a little bit more convenient.
    And if you go to shop to other markets you pay only for their marketing expenses, not one penny is going to their employees who are nowadays on the lowest payment in all of Germany.
    Spent some time in Germany and just wanted to give my twos on this matter.
    Although I have to admit that it is funny stuff to read.
    See you in the funny pages
  • Anonymous · 2 months ago
    WalMart left Germany because of the keen competion in food business.
    Their managers were to dumb to compete with Aldi or Lidl.
    And: Their behavior to their employees was unlawfull and they lost nearly every trial at court.
    The unions were to strong for them - how come competitors know to handle that "problem".
    Simply: WalMart managers behaved like idiots.
  • nanschi · 2 months ago
    i don´t know to which aldi shops YOU all have been, but i have never made any of the above depicted experiences. to me especially the first writer exaggerates about the aldi stores! still i have to admit that the other low-price-stores are not my cupof tea either...especially lidl smells really funny when you enter one of them. i even have noticed that it is the same smell all over europe, no matter if you are in greece, spain or italy.
    anyway, all in all those are funny comments up there! keep up!
  • Christian in Hamburg · 2 months ago
    Given how much you hate Aldi you seem to be hanging around a lot there...
    Btw the rude Rentner phenomenon is not Aldidl-specific. Shop at Karstadt Delicatessen and they'll get you there.
    Nice blog!
  • Anonymous · 2 months ago
    nanschi .. i think this may of gone all over your head with the british sense of humour driving through !! however If the same smells are all over europe or where ever you shop , may be just that may be , the odour is not from the shop?

    dec "n" ant